Episode 2.35 Cosmetology School and Sponsored Skaters

In season 2 episode 35 of Skate Date we talk about the new rules around cosmetology school and how this changes so many things for Shove, and in the Wheel world we talk sponsored skaters and sponsorships! Are we sponsored? Do we want to be?
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Transcript

Rebel: 0:09

Hey, it's skate day Welcome back everybody.

Shove: 0:13

Yo,

Rebel: 0:14

yo yo yo check it out.

Shove: 0:15

We're not on the couch today.

Rebel: 0:17

We are not we are back in the garage where we belong.

Shove: 0:23

This garage looks really ugly right now there's like, all kinds of shit with rebels like business. Like random things and then there's like a tower of like Halloween costumes and decorations lore. very overwhelming in here at least to be one of my favorite places to hang out. No, I'm like,

Rebel: 0:42

yeah, there's definitely like a lot of Halloween stuff right there. And then like a lot of sweatshirts waiting to be dyed and then costumes right there. And then our typical pile of crap.

Shove: 0:58

a mess, just like skate date. What is skate date? Bam.

Rebel: 1:01

Skate date is a podcast. And it is a podcast that Shove and Rebel are on. And it's by roller skaters who fell in love, and decided to create a podcast to talk about things that we would usually talk to people about on skate dates.

Shove: 1:20

You know what I was thinking about? What? Oh, first, I'll do the whole line. I'm Shove,

Rebel: 1:25

I'm Rebel. Can you dig it? And together we are shovel.

Shove: 1:32

Cuz I kept thinking about what I wanted to say. So. Yeah. But yeah, I was thinking about like, because I was listening. I'm back on my, like, my favorite murder game. And like, you know, like listening in the podcast. And I was like, when are we into the point where we don't have to say, What's Kate? I think all the people know. It's like, why are we saying the same thing all the time?

Rebel: 1:54

I don't know. I guess I kind of thought we were letting people who had never listened to our podcast know what it was.

Shove: 2:01

I know. But it feels like read on that. And then it's just like, I get it. It's Katie, I know what you're talking about. And I think at first I was very valid. And we needed to and then like, it's been waiting, waiting. Like, it's been heavy on my heart weighing heavy on my heart. I was just like,

Rebel: 2:16

I mean, we don't have to. I was just kind of doing it out of habit, I guess. Yeah, I

Shove: 2:20

know. But like, now that you're thinking about it, like, isn't it? It seems like oh, we keep explaining what it is. And it's just like, I don't think we need to.

Rebel: 2:28

I guess my thought was you know how, like TV shows have an intro. Like I thought it was just our intro.

Shove: 2:35

I love I think we should keep the like, I'm sure if I'm rebel and together we're shovel. Can you dig it like that? That's the tagline. I like, I'm down. I love that. But I think we don't always have to explain what

Rebel: 2:47

a date is. Okay. All right. Well, hear it again,

Shove: 2:51

y'all. I know. I want to hear it every time. Go ahead and tell us right in or put it in the comments. Yeah.

Rebel: 2:59

Going off of our own guesses about what should be done.

Shove: 3:02

Yeah. I don't know what's going on my hair today. So I'm trying to distract everyone with my boobs.

Rebel: 3:06

Well, it's working. So congratulations. your boobs look great, baby.

Shove: 3:11

If you're just listening here, sucker.

Rebel: 3:16

So today, we're talking about cosmetology rules and sponsorships. It's gonna be an exciting episode.

Shove: 3:27

It's really a horrible episode.

Rebel: 3:28

Guess what I'm doing this week.

Shove: 3:32

No one cares. No,

Rebel: 3:33

I want to tell you what I'm doing.

Shove: 3:36

What are you doing? Okay, so

Rebel: 3:38

I am doing this competition thing called the nutcase nine ball where I'm going to a go kart track and I am racing other roller skaters.

Shove: 3:53

What I thought the speedway in Anaheim Yeah, they can they can canine canine as a dog. Yeah, whatever. It's like the K one Speedway in Anaheim. It's like a go kart track. Lose indoors. It's really smooth, really scalable. They claim that you can go up to 40 miles per hour, but I'm like is that on skates? Are you mean go karts. But if it didn't go up to 40 miles in skates, because you can't really tell by the drawing. Like how steep those little slants are like, That's insane.

Rebel: 4:22

I definitely don't think that I'll be going 40 miles an hour, but I do think that it will be a very fun experience and I'm excited to do it. I'm very excited to have not trained at all I

Shove: 4:34

can't wait to see you eat shit. Don't worry, cuz Astro hasn't trained at all you they're

Rebel: 4:39

really talking to them about it today. And they were like, did you train and I was like, No, but you literally do yoga and I just like

Shove: 4:45

they also like skate vert, and do all this crazy stuff all day. Yeah. And

Rebel: 4:49

I just like sit on my bed all day long. So you know it should be interesting. I'm excited, but also kind of like, but like I know I'm gonna get out in the first round. So I'm I'm not too worried about it I'm just gonna go for the experience and have some Redbull because that's who's sponsoring it

Shove: 5:05

I hope there's some like randos that joins like you at least make it like two rounds and I'm the prize is like 5000 3000 1000 or something insane like it's a lot of money

Rebel: 5:16

yeah. Yeah it's insane it's

Shove: 5:19

a labor if you don't win it you can't come home.

Rebel: 5:23

Okay, well I guess I got a book with my negative earnings. Yes. But anyways, it's a it's free for people who want to come and attend. And all the money like I had to pay money to get my whatever like participation in it. And the benefits are going to like breast cancer awareness and like, money towards that so that's really cool. Being a part of that I'm excited. Yeah, so that's what I'm doing this week.

Shove: 5:55

I'm just gonna drink and yell and be like, oh, like, that's insane person.

Rebel: 6:02

Yeah. She misses being a derby. sideline person.

Shove: 6:06

Yes, I miss me and Derby widow.

Rebel: 6:09

Yeah. So yeah, so that's what I'm doing this week. Did you have anything exciting happened to you this last week?

Shove: 6:17

Um we started a new series on queer girl streetscape. Hell yeah, we did called fat girl tries. This was something I wanted to do for over a year. And Moxie turned me down. So

Rebel: 6:32

yay.

Shove: 6:34

So yeah, the first episode, it's all right, I guess.

Rebel: 6:38

I actually think it's really good. I when we were filming it, I thought this is gonna be so bad. But then I was editing it. And

Shove: 6:44

I had a mental breakdown, like a literal. And then I just came out of the garage and just put a smile on and did it. And that's how you know, I'm bipolar. That there was no proof that a bitch is crazy. It was what happened my day. So it's hard for me to watch that episode. So here's the next one being even better.

Rebel: 7:05

Yeah, and I think the only way to go is up. Yeah.

Shove: 7:12

Go down. All right. We haven't had

Rebel: 7:15

Yeah, we do. It's exciting, because it's one of our favorites. Why it's project pin up. Hey, babe, did you know that project pin up makes a bunch of really cute like, Halloween decor? Things that you could put on your body and on your skates?

Shove: 7:36

No shit bad project man. That makes everything cute. Okay,

Rebel: 7:39

I know. But seriously, though, so I was looking on their website the other day like yesterday and I was just thinking about how totally and entirely obsessed I am with those pumpkin Bell skate charms.

Shove: 7:53

I was trying to sell them to Healy because I was like you don't understand. Like they come in different colors. They're pumpkins, and they jingle? No, there's so cute. Like, um, you can wear them all the way through to December like a nightmare before christmas. It's like perfect.

Rebel: 8:06

No, it's literally perfect. I think it's one of the best, like skate charms that exist on the market right now. And not only that, but like I was even watching like I was watching her Instagram and she like reposted something that like someone else got an order. And she was opening up the order. And it was like skate bows. And then it was like this cute little black bracelet. And then it was like a pumpkin. And I was like, Oh my god, this is so cute and curated. And I'm absolutely obsessed with it. And what I want to get a little box that's curated from project pinup. And then I thought you know who else should want to get a box? All of you because it's so great. But yeah, so whether you're deciding to deck yourself out or deck out your skates for the holidays, one place that I highly suggest that you go is project pinup. accessories.com

Shove: 9:02

support small skater owned businesses.

Rebel: 9:05

Yeah, and if you're looking for stocking stuffers, or if you're looking for things that you know, when you're like you have that random person that you're like, what do I get for this person? Well, a lot of times a really cute holiday accessory would be a great option for that person. Or you're

Shove: 9:21

like screw everyone else. I hate Christmas and holidays. So you just buy all the cute things for yourself. Go to projects pinup accessories.com

Rebel: 9:31

and use code skate date you get 10% off. Hey, thanks project pin up for always supporting our cute little podcast with your cute little accessories. So shall we head on over to the real world?

Shove: 9:49

I think yes. Okay, let's go

Rebel: 10:06

Shove over here. Booty poppin booty poppin Yeah, you're

Shove: 10:11

talking about,

Rebel: 10:11

it'll be pop into the transition music.

Shove: 10:14

So y'all, I don't know if you know this, but I'm in cosmetology school. Oh, wait, what did she know?

Rebel: 10:25

Yeah,

Shove: 10:26

it's really hard to go to school now because of this new law that the government are passed that like everyone was just quiet about but I guess if you were like, owned a school, a beauty school in California, you knew about it, and like some hairdressers knew about it. But mostly it was just like school owners, which is hella shady. That like my teacher knew about this the whole time and multiple people knew and no one was really talking about it. But in California when we are one of the states that takes the most time to get a license as a Cosmos student and with Cosmo, like, I've always said it's a scam because you have to even when you just want to do hair, you have to do Skin and Nails as well. But it's 1600 hours, a lot hours, like three times more than a cop.

Rebel: 11:19

While Yeah, just to cut hair.

Shove: 11:21

Yeah, just to cut here and then still like you want to do nails or become like an aesthetician like you still need to like take extra courses on top of that. So it's kind of like it is a scam just like how I say College is a scam. Like you want to learn this one thing but they make you take these five other classes that you have to pay for that have nothing to do with the main thing you want to learn

Rebel: 11:41

Gen Ed's for life.

Shove: 11:43

It's like what the hell like you just want my money. Also, it's super expensive to take cosmetology classes. I don't know if this is everywhere, but it can be anywhere from like 14,000 to$35,000 oh my god for 1600 hours. And if you're going part time, it takes like a little bit over two years. Unless you're in a pandemic. Yeah.

Rebel: 12:08

It takes like 20 years. Yeah. And

Shove: 12:09

then if you're full time, I believe it's like a year, a little over a year, like a year and a half.

Rebel: 12:16

So how far are you in a cosmetology school?

Shove: 12:21

Well, I am like 630 or 40 hours. Which is crazy because let me break down what this law did. So the law now says in 2022 that if you want to be a cosmetologist that it would be only 1000 hours which is like oh dope but then it's also says if you just want to be a hairdresser and not do like nail tech stuff for esthetician it's only $600 which means I'm technically done whoa except there's some little things under there like now sanitation they want way more points the test they got rid of the practical which is insane we'll talk about that later. Just a written but now it's more like scenarios still multiple choice though so it's kind of easy, but they are gonna make it tougher probably cuz they don't have the practical So yeah, I could literally have enough hours and then just have to work on some points.

Rebel: 13:21

And how long would it take you to work on points

Shove: 13:24

like I'd probably be done like after like two months or something like unless something like insane because it's like mostly just sanitation and I think one other thing but I have a lot most of my things are like 100 and up I have to work on like perms and stuff like that so probably some of the chemical stuff but like I'm just working on that the scariest thing is okay I paid for I've been paying towards 1600 hours of learning. So does that mean when I'm ready to graduate like I have to still pay for that much do I get a break like I signed a contract but I'm wondering if that contract said for ball blog hours that you know what I mean? Like I shouldn't have to pay that much money or they're gonna be like okay, you can graduate now but you don't get your diploma until you pay like$2,000 like that would suck

Rebel: 14:14

I'm pretty sure that's what's gonna happen usually it's not like the cost is not ours base the cost is like program based so they can be like you completed the program early Yeah,

Shove: 14:26

I don't know I just feel like I remember in the pocket like I couldn't really broke it down like it comes off to blah blah per hour.

Rebel: 14:32

Well, they probably did that math for you. So it felt like less money.

Shove: 14:36

Yeah, I don't know. We'll see what we'll see. I mean, the writing's on the wall with that, but exciting. No, I did not have to be in school for another year in two months as planned. Yeah. Do you like Okay, do you know like, the whole thing like about like how the test is run.

Rebel: 14:57

I know that like it's really intense and you have to have a person to bring in with you. And you have to like do their hair or something and they're like people in a room I think and they're like evaluating your every move, right?

Shove: 15:11

No. So you don't get to bring someone with you. It's First of all, it's like kind of far so they recommend that you even get a hotel room you stay there that you know exactly how to get there. Before you show up early, you have a doll head and you have a bag that has everything in it already kind of sealed and ready to go. You have like three bags, so you get to put stuff on, you have your hand sanitizer, it's very strict, you can't have your Apple Watch and they don't even want to watch it all. You can't even take your phone in there. It's very strict. They want to make sure you're not cheating. You walk in there's like people on the front and then you'll have your station you have to walk to your station, put your bag away and just stand there and wait you have a packet that has the same thing they're gonna tell you, you're not allowed to do anything until they tell you the steps and then you set up your doll head goes on your tripod, you have to wrap it with a cape and the towel it cannot fall off which sucks so of course a doll head is way smaller but you have human sized stuff so like you will lose points for things like that. It really depends. Everyone's watching you but there's no talking of course they say don't look over by everything's like time limited as well so you have to do the whole practical if you let's say you drop something you pick it up and you forget to sanitize your hands before you touch something else like they're getting doctor you're constantly docked on all these little things and it's like very stressful you're gonna cross check everything the hair part is like a lot of things you have to do like a perm on one section you have to show like a 10 touch up a virgin color test like a PT test which is like where they test the dye on your neck or a piece of your skin a blood exposure kid thing like it's super super like a lot to remember and then you go into another room and it's 100 question tests everything from chemistry where they're asking you about like fucking neutrons protons like nucleus and like all this stuff to like scale like protons and crazy stuff they want to know about like like if you like about seeing skin cancer what kind of mold looks like what like anatomy like how many bones are in the foot like it's not just like beauty school stuff like it's like science as well what Yeah, and sometimes you get screwed and you might have the test asked a lot about that and then it'll be like questions about like, hair color and cutting and the history of makeup. Dell questions skin questions like all that which kind of sucks as you're like I'm hoping like hey I'm just want to be a hairstylist that shouldn't mean that all my questions would have to do with like hair Yeah, because they can't really throw like nail questions and a hairdressing test or like Same thing with like skin so hopefully that takes some of it they want you to know anatomy because they want you to understand like the shape of the head and how the hair falls hairstyle is often are the only people that look at your scalp so they might see cancer before you know you have it. So they want you to have a look out they also want to make sure you're not doing someone's hair or something like sketch so you need to be able to identify like, alas not dandruff like you have like a disease.

Rebel: 18:33

Oh yeah,

Shove: 18:34

so there is an importance and that's why like they do that because it's like falls under like health and safety and just like knowing things about hands. Yeah, um, but yeah, so that's the practical and then there's the written and then they let you know right there if you passed or failed, and they hand it to you, oh, scary. You drive home either be happy or sad. Now that a lot of times you have to wait like four months and to be able to do it again.

Rebel: 19:01

Oh my gosh, that's so intense. Why? Yeah, so

Shove: 19:05

it's pretty rigorous. Like he talked about like getting your master's and like how it's like yeah, comps

Rebel: 19:10

was rigorous like that, except there was no hands on thing. comps, will you either do a thesis or you do comps, and for me comps was three days, three tests, four hours each. And then you had a defense like you had an oral defense that you had like a committee. And each of those people on your committee had written one of your questions. And then you go in a few days or a few weeks later and you have to defend all of your answers. And then they'll ask you more questions. And you can either pass or fail. And you can pass like parts of it and it's also very scary.

Shove: 19:47

Yeah, so I was reading an article that went around with the law of what it means and a girl's doll had like rolled off the table and that made her fat. All right, they deducted her so much that like that just sent it over. And like She even said, like I've never had a client's head roll off right away. Like it's just weird things on there you're like, Huh, and like did they need to change the whole lot because of stupid stuff like that? No. You want to know why they changed law? Why? Okay, here's what they're saying. And yes, for some people, I'm sure it's true. But I also know the conspiracy slosh real capitalistic, most likely real is way way past Okay, so what they're claiming and what is true, like this does help is to help like disenfranchise people aka people of color people that are not allowed to financially be able to attain a license which makes sense because how I just said how expensive it is and the time like so many people of color drop out because one it's just so expensive, they just have to like can't do it anywhere like I struggle a lot of times so it's like, first of all, you're paying like 500 to$1,000 a month depending on what school you go to. So and we're talking about let's go to City College like you can't get a scholarship for that like you have to pay out of pocket and you can't claim it on your taxes either. So it sucks so like and then second like you got to think about like how we got to work more like when we don't have that privilege to just like go to school full time during the day A lot of us are night students. A lot of people that have kids like all these things that like keeps them from being able to just devote all that time to going to school so again, they drop out. So they figured if they lowered them on hours they have to go so like technically if you're like full time you just want to end you want to do 1000 hours someone on the new set like that'd be three months.

Rebel: 21:54

Like Yeah, so that should make it cheaper. Yeah, so

Shove: 21:57

like the price would go down to um, so that's the whole like, you know, liberal like, this is great, we're doing it for the people, blah blah. And of course I'm like what are these white men doing for the people like they're up for reason so a lot of hair stylists are an arm for multiple things What if there's gonna be an influx of like hairdresser just like flooding the market that a lot of them are be afraid to hire them they're gonna feel like they have to teach them more which I think is kind of bullshit. Because in school let's be honest, they don't really teach you much anyways they just teach you like here's how to be clean and here's a basic haircut and here's a blowout like they don't teach you like the things you learn in the field like they don't teach you like trendy stuff like all that so I feel like a lot of that you still need I feel like anyone coming out of school even with 1600 hours needs a lot to be taught still unfortunately because that's how the schools just run which is annoying there should be like trendy classes. Yeah, which like if you go to like john Frieda or like what's either Paul Mitchell which I remember looking into and I've tried school, but like thank God I didn't because it's even more money um, like those they might do a little trendier things but then like they also kind of I heard like they use you and take advantage of that a lot like you're charging a lot of money but you don't get any of it but whatever so yeah, so like they're like worried about that but also worried that like they have to lower their prices though because like people out of school are gonna have their rates are gonna be smaller so now it's not going to be as competitive the prices but the number one thing is they're saying like the people that aren't like really worried about like, how they're going to suffer but for the people is that corporations like these franchises that cut hair like super cuts fantastic Sams I guess apparently there's an Amazon salon like my god of course yes all those places are going to sweep up all these people because they're not gonna have anywhere to go and then they're going to work them for minimum wage so they're gonna have like so many people to just like hire because everyone's gonna be like, what do I do I'm licensed so where are they gonna go they're gonna go to these franchises that pay him like jack shed that sacks because all the other salons are like we don't want you we don't think you're even fully trained yet. Which is like yeah, go there. Learn as much as possible, then go to a salon. But yeah, it's a little out of my saying like it's all apparent cuz I guess a lot of that lobby is like they were backed. This was backed by corporations.

Rebel: 24:34

Well, I mean, everything is backed by corporations,

Shove: 24:37

but like it was corporations in the beauty industry. So SAS,

Rebel: 24:42

SAS, SAS,

Shove: 24:45

I'm Maria who's opening he was by Southern discomfort. She is a roller skater. And she is a white passim white Mexican hairdresser. a stripper just all around like person that believes in like, everyone should not do black hair and she is Kinky Curly, certified, like all this stuff and like, wants me to like learn so much like what's helped mentor me, which is awesome. And she is trying to pass something that I just talking about, like how it is good to lower the hours for people and like the costs. But how like, you can't just do that, like you need to also change the structure of what we're learning. Because black hair is like one chapter like one and done. Like there's no braiding classes, there's no like, here's how to do natural hair. Everything is about how to change the texture, like here's how you perm, here's how you pressing curl. But that's it. When they talk about braids, like you're just doing a couple of braids here and there. Maybe one extension they talk about wigs and a chapter, but like not really just black hair, they zoom over it, they might have some black clients that come at night pre COVID anyways, and that was our only chance. Or if you're the one black person like I am right now they want to ask you a million questions and you're teaching the class and that's annoying as well. So they're saying like trying to make something that's like so many hours would be like on natural hair on braiding. Now perms like making sure that like these schools that are ready aren't really like taking that time to really teach what their time now that they have less time to teach that they're actually teaching what matters. Yeah, I

Rebel: 26:32

think that that sounds great, because they're gonna be way more accountable now.

Shove: 26:35

And a lot of schools are actually like starting lawsuits against this law. Which is crazy. What

Rebel: 26:42

are they saying with their like back end for the lawsuits,

Shove: 26:45

they think they're all gonna lose their accreditation, because like, they don't really have that much time to prep and change things. Or now they're gonna have to hire another teacher, like a teacher that just does hair. Because you can't have someone that's only doing 600 hours, sitting with a class that needs to also do Skin and Nails because then you're just gonna be like, sitting there not getting what you need. While they're covering those.

Rebel: 27:08

Don't you think that's a good thing? I'm feels like, I feel like that's a good thing.

Shove: 27:12

I don't know. But like, and then the test is changing. So like, what happens is like, okay, now all these people are like, Oh, we can graduate now and we go to take the test. And then we don't get a good score, like, let's say all of a sudden, because like my school has a really high passing rate. So now if we all rush out, and like, I'm sorry, some of the people in my class or a hamburger short of Abby mill, the lights are on, but nobody's home. And if they graduate, all of a sudden, like, boom, Oh, I got 600 I never pay attention in class, but I got my hours and they go to take that test. And they fail. The schools percentage goes down and down, and they can lose their accreditation. Oh, crap. Yeah. So like, that's why it sucks.

Rebel: 27:54

But it's weird, because like, how soon? Like, is the law already in effect, or 2022? Because it's like, they have to change the test. If the practical doesn't exist anymore. And only 600 hours are required. They literally are gonna have to rewrite the tests. Yeah, so

Shove: 28:11

everyone's like running around like chickens with their heads off. Like I can't even get the information I need like, so we got like two months. And all I want to know is like, Where do I need my points? Like, what do I need? How much do I owe you so I can have a game plan for that. And just get the hell out of there, plan my test, study my ass off and then take that test hopefully pass the first time because you also pay like 350 or something just for the test. And it's an all that money like California is getting rich office. And then like take class, like take classes with Murray and like, I've decided I want to be a full time hairstylist. But I want to have it in my pal like she said she can teach me like more editorial so so if I do want to work on sets here and there. Like, I just want to have a trade so that I know if shit goes down. I have something to fall back on that I can do no matter what.

Rebel: 29:09

Yeah, I mean, like, that's smart. Like it's a great way to prepare and like go about life.

Shove: 29:16

Yeah, one day everyone's like, fuck roller skates, and no one roller skates ever again and then Moxie shuts down. Oh, that'd be a fucking nightmare. I'll come when I'm like, What do I do now? And I'm like, Oh yeah, you know how to do here and then I get a job somewhere doing here and work my way up and do as much as I can.

Rebel: 29:35

You also legitimately furniture at literally any business ever. So now if it's not hair rollerskates

Shove: 29:42

I don't want it. Okay, if I didn't have a bad back, I'd be the rollerskating hairdresser. I'd end up with so much hair in my bearings. Okay, remember at our old house when we would like skate in the living room. And then we'd look like at the axle and you'd like have so much hair wrapped around it so gross or red t gross. did not love that. Yeah. So that's what's going on in California in the cosmetology world. She's crazy right now. And I'm excited, but scared to see what it means. It's definitely really hard to be like, keep going to school with these hours you don't need and they're not telling you where you need points. So you're probably just getting points and things you don't even need now. So it feels very like what's the point?

Rebel: 30:24

But I'll get pence the ditching, did he?

Shove: 30:28

I literally talks I teach. And I said, I won't be there this

Rebel: 30:34

this whole week?

Shove: 30:37

Because I was like, well, Thursdays in that case. I could go on Wednesday, but then I was like, what's the point? Yeah.

Rebel: 30:45

Yeah, you should call them like during the day tomorrow and be like, Hey, tell me how much I owe you. Yeah, I think that's probably a smart thing. All right, let's get to the real world.

Shove: 31:08

Hey, babe, are you a sponsored skater?

Rebel: 31:10

Nope. Wouldn't it be cool to be a sponsored skater though?

Shove: 31:15

It is cool to be a sponsor.

Rebel: 31:17

I don't know what it's like. So in the real world, we're going to talk about being sponsored skaters. And what's that like?

Shove: 31:23

But babe, don't you feel like you reap a lot of the benefits of a sponsored skater? Yes. Because of association. Yes. And because for some reason, you're you and you always get what you want. But you always finesse your way you finagle your way I do

Rebel: 31:42

work, I put in work, and I make connections, exactly. Exchange things that I have to offer. So it might not always be monetarily

Shove: 31:55

Yeah. She like works her way up to like, get those things like she doesn't just like, it's not like she's just like, look at me. I'm cute. And then she gets handed things like she does do a lot of like, free things. But then like the benefits are in skate stuff.

Rebel: 32:12

Yeah, that's definitely true. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So like, while I'm not a sponsored skater, I could probably still speak to the experience. Yeah. And a lot of people think that I'm a sponsored skater, but I'm not a sponsored skater.

Shove: 32:24

Cuz you're always like Moxie, Moxie, Moxie.

Rebel: 32:27

Yeah. Yeah, but I'm not sponsored by Moxie. Although at this point, like I feel like I should just be

Shove: 32:35

I used to be on the oxy skate team that it's still some people think it's a thing but it is not. And some people didn't even know it was a thing. The Moxie skate teams use is something that a lot of people either worshipped or hated. Because are both because it was super awesome like seeing the Moxie ski team is like what got me into a roller skating and outside of Derby. And it was always like Rebel and I's joke like, where the mogh cF team we were calling the Moxie D team. I call myself out because I was like, not even D level.

Rebel: 33:13

Maybe we graduated to deism

Shove: 33:15

um, but like, the reason why people hate it because there was a skater named Emily Who was your typical like, California slim thick blonde colored eyes. I'm I remember, but like very like, just what you see like 60s pin up like person and like super like short shorts. And the hightop saw totally stunning crop top, like gap. Beautiful. But like, that's commercial. And that's what everyone sees. And to the same people will be like, Oh, yeah, Emily was like the poster child of Moxie for a long time. And I think at the time, like it was 13 years ago. I made sense that like, that's when everyone was infatuated with the blonde, beautiful woman, you know, I mean, so like, you had a whole skate team. And that's when people saw like, yeah, they weren't all blondes, but they were all then a pigeon was the only thought one and she wasn't even that fat. Yeah. And then like bonds I was there. But like, there was mostly the focus on like, the super tongue like theny. Yeah. So like when you hop oxy skating, and you're like, oh, California skinny white. And it's changed so much since then. But definitely in my head. It was like, oh, I'll never be on that. And I remember like Kiana getting on the team and meeting like oh, wow, like that's different. That's freaking awesome. Like they finally got like someone block on the team. And they had blocked people before like, I should back up. They had Coco Franklin was on it. But like she wasn't really present that much and again, was like super thin and tall, like black. Maybe and then like she was no longer on it. And then they had two black men but then like they were both out of state well like Enzo was around but not that much. And rollerskate Travis, one of my favorite skaters was on the team. But he lived in Texas. Yeah, Texas. So he wasn't in everything because everyone wanted to hire the skinny white girls for all the jobs, unfortunately, because society sucks. So I got to see him in like, skate videos, right? Like you knew of them, too, right? But like so Kiana wasn't the first black person but I was like the first one that was like in California and started being involved in more things. So I was like visual and like photo shoots and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. And then they did have like Latinas on the team, too, because there was data and there was baby girl D, but still, like very like white passing. So a lot of people still have that like thought of Moxie in their head of like, just do better. But like when you flash forward, 13 years later, 10 years later, like now it's so diverse because like, there might not be a Moxie skate team. But there is like sponsored skaters. Hmm. What do you think

Rebel: 36:20

about the whole thing?

Shove: 36:22

Yeah. Because like, when you think of sponsorships like one of the first ones you think is like Moxie. And then you think of like, the slide like wild bones and like there's definitely more like pop s one roller skate, like all those. But like, when you think like skate team, it was like, oh, Moxie. And or Civ?

Rebel: 36:42

Yeah, I mean, so I feel like I was less aware of the like skate teams that were outside of Derby. At first, I feel like my first experience with skate teams was missing all these sponsored Derby skaters. So like these hyper athletic sponsored Derby skaters who are sponsored by like frog mouth, and like, s one and red. Yeah, Redbull and anti AAA and antic and like all of this kind of seven, right, owl. So that was my first like experience with sponsored skaters. And so from my opinion, I had always thought that a sponsored skater was someone who's like super freakin talented, like just high level at roller skating. So that was kind of my view of it at first. And I definitely agree with the whole like, just feeling like Moxie was very whitewashed and also feeling like it was just like, you had to be this like, beautiful, skinny human, and also really good at scan my really, really good at skating. Like I just always thought every sponsors Gator has to be like, incredible at skating. And I've even heard like, people talk about that, like, Oh, I'm not trying to get sponsored yet because I'm not good enough. And I think that that's really like an interesting concept. Um, but I think that as time has gone on, like, I really liked when they when they brought you onto the team when Moxie skate team brought you on? And they were talking about how like, no, we're just looking for people who represent what Moxie represents, and like, the passion behind rollerskating and all those things. And I think that that approach is the better approach. Like I definitely think that that is the way to go. Well, when

Shove: 38:44

I was on the plane, going to a roll call or maybe we were like coming back home. I can't remember. I remember I went with Astro and DITA and it was my first time like going on a plane somewhere far and then also with people that like I knew, but I didn't know that well. And I was like, Oh my god, I can't believe I'm doing this. He like asked me at roller con if I want to do it. And I was like, This is crazy. And like in my back my head I was like, Oh my God, this could be the first step to being on the Moxie ski team. I was like your crazy calm down. Like it's just like, they see something in you. And they want you to experience so whatever. So they took me with them. I remember sitting next to Esther on the plane. And they were talking about the skate team stuff and gave my advice on things. And I was like, Oh, that's crazy. They like really value my opinion asked me about skate stuff. And like, we're really listening. And I was like, Oh, this is cool. And then so I just asked like, what does it take to get on the Moxie skate team? And then I sort of said, I don't know, I just ask people like if i if i vibe with them, and we get along like, I just ask them what they want on the team and they say yes or no or like sometimes people just ask me and then like, I listen to my gut and I say yes or no. And I was like, why? Not at all how

Rebel: 39:56

I thought it happened.

Shove: 39:57

I thought it was like I don't know how cool I get How many followers you have like I don't know what tricks can you do? Yeah And then so like i got i saw i le x late at night like if I wanted to be on the skate team and I was like in shock and I was like of course and then I was like that's crazy because like what Rebel said like they figured they saw me as like the embodiment of what Moxie is supposed to represent. And I felt like over that time like the team started getting like better and better like started letting go of people that were like were kind of problematic or didn't bring anything to the skate community like they started really like looking at what they were is like one of the leading brands in rollerskating and what they were like showing the world and started making those changes

Rebel: 40:45

mm hmm yeah, I definitely think that that is like a good change that they are making but then they just like got rid of it so

Shove: 40:54

yeah, and then I was like man like the mayhem pandemic started and we're on like, huge zoom call and they're like we're ending the team and I was so sad I was like, I only got to do one fun thing and Rebel got to come to us for like the 187 Moxie, like promo video when it first started and like I was so excited yeah and then I that led to me making the the knee pad fix at knee pad so now like I can always get free knee pads like a pad set which is awesome. So gear for life um, but like getting the free skates is what's like super cool like one like every sponsorships gonna be different. So like for me it's like getting the skates like one a year which is awesome like that's every sponsored skater has an opportunity of you really need something like your gears beat up you need bearings you can reach out and like I know some companies like just want you to like promo it like crazy and like only wear their stuff but like mine with Moxie is like a little bit different but like I can't like I wear an s one helmet all the time. Like I don't wear the Moxie helmet and that's okay. And like it's weird because now it's like, I work for them so I'm not just fully like it's like I'm sponsored but I'm also employee like I don't know. But yeah, it's like for me it's my dream like sponsorship and partnerships. I love it. What's your dream sponsorship?

Rebel: 42:26

Oh my god what a good question my dream sponsorship to be honest so not to make it seem like I don't know whatever Okay, so I've turned down a lot of sponsorships show have I've been offered a lot of sponsorships and I've turned a lot of them down and the big reason for that is because I was burned so badly by the whole planet rollerskate thing. I was just I was just burned so so so badly by it and so when people reached out to me even people that I trusted like Michelle or like other people that I got good vibes from I was still like you know what I don't feel comfortable being tied to any one skate brand like I don't I know that y'all know that I was burned by playing roller skate but like it got to the depths of my being like it really jolted we need to do an episode about Yeah, we do need to do an episode about that so it like really jolted me and so like there are a lot of repercussions like I can now a year out a year and a half out of it. I can see waves that it created and like tendencies within me, I guess. Dream sponsorship would be I mean, I would love to be sponsored by Moxie. I would love to be sponsored by Red Bull. Of course I will never be sponsored by Red Bull because I'm not a high enough athlete. We need a year supply every year Yeah, um, but I would love to be sponsored by Moxie I would love to be sponsored by you know, I don't know the gear and stuff that I already use. So why just don't have to buy it.

Shove: 44:07

She got offered like a huge ski sponsorship to like be put on a team. But the downside was they wanted her to only wear that skate whether in Derby or a park. And then that was like No, and then they were like, well, what if we even give you two pairs of skates one for Park one for Derby. And I was like, I really like my jacket. So this isn't gonna work. And the person that representative from that skate company actually like emailed a straight one was like Gezi created a really good skate there. He got people to miss out.

Rebel: 44:41

Yeah, and I think my thing my reason why I turned down so many besides just being like burned is that I feel like I wanted to be able to be unbiased when it came to making videos on my YouTube and I still feel like I can be even being sponsored. But I definitely just feel like you know, at this point everyone already thinks I'm sponsored by Moxie anyways. So I'm not currently sponsored by anyone.

Shove: 45:13

There's like now the new thing is like affiliate so like more skate shops. And I think I think Moxie might have been the first one who did this during the pandemic and was like, hey, how can we help all these skaters that are like losing their jobs like owl, and they're like, let's make like codes. And like, it definitely helped like, especially during like, sales rising like the boom, and are you tell for skeets like, when I had to quit my a problematic job. I was able to live off of that, like when things were like really bad, like a course, like, eventually it was like, No, this is hardly any money now. But when I really needed it was there so I could pay my bills. And I was so grateful for it. And just to be able to like, pose and there was no pressure, it was just like, post when you want and share your code, like this is the thing for you. No one was like, why aren't you mentioning your code? Why aren't you promoting like it was just very chill. And it was like something accessible for people. And there's so many skaters where they have a large following or a small following. Like some people have like 2000, not even 2000, like 1000 or less followers, and they have a code. And like affiliate, like they might have perks here and there. But like they can have money coming in through a skate company, which is cool. And like, I know, like pigeon skate shop has one as well. And she's like, a bunch of skater light roller has one. Yeah, moonlight roller. So like, and it's cool, because it's like, yeah, it's advertising, but they're still paying the skaters. And I feel like for a long time, people were like, yeah, you're on a team. And then like, you need to make sure you post this often. And you need to do this and like you weren't making money off of it. But you're like, well, I guess I get free wills or I get free bearings, I get free skates. But

Rebel: 47:01

like when you really think about that, the amount of money that it costs to give you that free product in comparison to the amount of money that you're bringing in is like very small. Yeah. And so that was also always a reason why I felt like I could turn down sponsorships, because I would think about how much money would it cost for me just to buy the stuff that they're going to give me for free? And then how much of my work Am I going to have to put into, like posting and doing all this stuff? And what are the requirements going to be? And that's really another one of the reasons why I was like, to being a sponsored skater.

Shove: 47:35

And then like not to kill people's dreams within the day a sponsorship is just like, especially skate teams. It's just marketing. Yeah. Because like, that's what's gonna promote that's like, what people are gonna see. And they're gonna want what those skaters have. So it is like a marketing thing.

Rebel: 47:53

100% of marketing strategy. That is what skate teams are. Yeah. I mean, they're also like a bond and a family and like, all that stuff, too. But like, it's a marketing strategy.

Shove: 48:03

And what's sad is like, I think when, when you see skate teams, I think we create like, this, like dream of like, Oh my gosh, a group of skaters that are best friends that are skating together all the time, like, and it's, it's an illusion, it I think that's Max's fault. I'm gonna be honest, like, whether it's Civ or antic, like one. A lot of the times those people don't even live next to each other. Like you're just seeing like what you see from photoshoots and special events, or like online interaction. Yeah. And it's always like, I literally had a skater that was like, Oh, I have this dream of going to California. I have this picture of the Moxie skate team. And that's just what I want. Like, I just don't know why I don't have skate friends like that. And then kind of like, wait on my heart. Like, I wish I knew how to, like I didn't want to break their heart on the spot and be like, that's a lie. I know those people talk to each other. Because like,

Rebel: 49:01

but also, I think, yeah, like,

Shove: 49:03

I want to be honest, like, it's just like, because a skate team is just made of sponsored skaters. So it doesn't mean you have to be friends you might get along or just like we all know, like, we're you have friends and then you break up over time. Like you we have distance. And I think like when you're in a skate team for so many years, that's gonna happen life just that way. So I do kind of like the fact like, I remember when Astro said like, we're breaking up the skate team. It was because they didn't want to be this exclusive. Like, we're better than you like clicky thing. They want it to be like, we're all just skaters. We all skate, you can skate with us. Here's some people that were just like, wow, this person really represents a brand and we're gonna flow skates to them. And like, just give out skates randomly to people that like do good in the community, rather than like how this team that like everyone idolizes and like has this weird feeling that the team did. Have, which I totally like respect. And I see. So it's like, I want to say like, like we always say, like Don't believe everything you see on the internet. I mean,

Rebel: 50:10

like when you watch a skate video, or like an advertisement that has skating in it, and it has multiple skaters in it, and they all look like they're having a grand old time, they probably don't hang out like that all the time. Like, chances are high. Like, for example, like we've been in several, like skating, like random, like commercials and stuff like that. And like, we met most of those people that night or that day, like, and so I do think seeing it as an ad, or like a marketing strategy is kind of like grounding,

Shove: 50:47

I would say, That's why I like I think I enjoy working for a roller skate company, like being an employee, even more than a sponsored skater. Because now all my co workers are skaters. So we actually do skate together. And like, we do have fun together. And I love that, like, they've come to the house and skated, like, if you've seen that video on YouTube. Like, that's real. Like we've had people over literally just to hang out. Yeah, and it's just like, it's chill, like, we can take our skates to work and skate together in the parking lot, or we're rolling around and we talk about skate stuff and like what we're working on and that's way more real like with like my Moxie team as in work team than like, it was with like my, the Moxie skate team. And so like, just remember, like, Don't idolize that thing. Don't like make it your goal to get sponsored. Like, make it your goal to just like, make skate friends and like, meet skaters. Because like that's being on at skate team or being sponsored isn't gonna solve your problems. Unless you're like, financially struggling and you're like, well, that's how. But even then, like, there's other ways.

Rebel: 51:58

Yeah, totally. Wow, we got real, got real in the real world. Alright, let's move on to find your escape date. Find your CD is the part of the podcast where we find you escape date, and you send us information about yourself and we gas you up, and we help connect skaters to other skaters around the world. And if you want to find a skate date for just people to hang out with, or for people to be romantically involved with, or for mentors or for skate colleagues, just write in to dear skate date@gmail.com your skate date@gmail.com your personal bio, and some pronouns and some nfo

Shove: 53:02

and why you want to start a roller skate cult. Yes.

Rebel: 53:07

And we will decide if we want to join or not.

Shove: 53:11

But it's underground. It's the cult of

Rebel: 53:12

shovel.

Shove: 53:20

Hi, shovel. I, I am a mom in my 30s from Ohio, Ohio, who usually escapes alone after work or in the mornings with my kiddos. I am a longtime rollerblader who decided to attend this roller skating craze during pandemic and it was a whole new sport. Love that. I never fall with my rollerblades. But I could not stop stop falling. When I first started quad skating. Side note when I met with this guy from this company, he was talking to me about how like rollerblading was so much easier and that like like was harder and that like roller skating was easy that all ages could do it and all this stuff. And I was like, Huh, you're so wrong, but I was just shaking my head because it was like a business. Interesting. Yeah. But yes, roller skating is harder. Okay. I definitely progress and attempted a 365 skate challenge but fell off due to you know, life. Yeah, I do know. I skated in the Columbus Duda. I mean, why this is so funny the scene as well down, dude, ah, da parade, which is challenging and so fun. I would love to try a skatepark but it's definitely intimidating. You'll Yes, we'd like to find more of a community of skaters maybe here. Or wait skaters here maybe even parents. Anyway, anyways, it's like a skate date playdate. Oh, love that. Love it. Anyways, I'm an artist mom, plant enthusiasts environmentalist vocalist Holmes Better, who loves techno metal? jazz, folk and experimental music?

Rebel: 55:08

Oh my God, and the color using capital letters. Orange. Amazing.

Shove: 55:14

My Instagram handle is at skater racket. I wish it was skater ratchet. But skater racket, pronounced skater racket. It's a play on my music, or sorry, it's a play on my artist, musician name, scatter racket. You may find at scatter dot racket when searching that is my art page. Get me back on my game. Let's learn new tricks or go on trails, or through the city and Columbus helped me not be scared of skate parks.

Rebel: 55:48

And this person's name is Katie. So yay, Katie. So if you are Katie ski day, then hit them up at Skeeter racket. And if you would like us to read your escape date send an email to Dr. Skate date@gmail.com my gosh Shove is literally trying to stab me Stop deer shovel. Deer shovel is where you write in your questions and we answer them whether it's good or bad answers, it doesn't matter we just answer them. So today's dear shovel is dear shovel. What are your best and worst Halloween costumes that you've done over the years? I have the word love a Halloween costume enthusiast who has no idea what to wear. Okay, so my worst Halloween costume was all the years of my life when I wasn't allowed to dress up for Halloween and it was just me in whatever I was wearing. Hiding in the garage painting with all the lights off because my parents wouldn't let me turn on the lights cuz I didn't want people to come up to their door and I was scared so I would just like three are in the garage. So I guess I dressed up like an artist for all those years

Shove: 57:26

this is why we were like rebels so fucking weird. Like Yeah, I hear the stories of her you didn't have a chance.

Rebel: 57:36

Yeah, so that was my worst what's your worst?

Shove: 57:42

Halloween is like usually like that's my Super Bowl. So I always usually end up with more than one Halloween costume and I am all about DIY I think you're a fool if you spend money on a costume at a store when you can just build upon it yourself easily. You can go through 15 for the outfits my favorite kind of costumes are cosplaying a character and like finding those clothes and building it yourself and like making stuff with it and the other one like would always be like a gory when like you can make so much with like some liquid latex and some paper towels or toilet paper and some fake blood and you can just be whatever you want. And so it's usually like a scary one and my cosplay one and it's usually really good so like I like everything I've done from like Ursula to being a psycho clown with like my mouth cut open with like stitching and I've done like the whole comic book zombie which I might do again for the actual Halloween Day this year for like my third costume don't know yet, but I've done so many looks insane and every time people are always like oh my god, like it's like hello I'm gonna make an artist so it's like comes easy for him.

Rebel: 58:56

Yeah, I just realized that I need it as something to wear on actual Halloween day.

Shove: 59:01

Yeah, you need three costumes. Well yeah, sure

Rebel: 59:04

one I'm gonna wear that again. I already wore it.

Shove: 59:07

So I'm my worst costume even though it was beautifully done and like I took so much time but I'll say it's worse because it's now I know how problematic it is. A decade ago, the world wasn't so easy. We weren't that knowledgeable and things like we didn't have as much information. It was plain ignorance. And so that's why I think it is bullshit when people like push it from like 10 years ago and they're like picture Isn't it like this is racist and you're like, Whoa, I know that's racist now but did not know back then or did not know that was like, even problematic. So I was a day of the dead sugar school, Katrina two years and I remember like I had a beautiful floral piece that I made I took like hours painting on like perfect flowers and school makeup. And I wore this beautiful lace and a course that a long skirt. And like went to a party and then like there were it was like a Mexican party and other people were dressed like that. And like all my friends loved it. Love doesn't matter. You can't be like, Oh, my brown friends liked it. So it's not racist. Like, no, it still can be problematic. So when I got older, like I'm always like, oh, but I think don't wear someone's culture as a costume. Yeah. And then like, such as when I was a kid, my parents did put me in like a jasmine costume. And when I look at that, I'm like, like, you know, I wouldn't say worse, it would just be like, Oh, I would get canceled if I did that now.

Rebel: 1:00:54

Yeah. Um, yeah, I, I mean, I didn't start dressing up for Halloween until I started dating chef. So I have almost no experience for that except for one year when I told my parents that I was going to like a harvest pumpkin patch thing. And then me and my friends dressed up like 80s rock band members. And we teased our hair super super big and we put that spray color in it. And we wore leather jackets and we were like color dice and we walked around the neighborhood. And I was like God so bad. But like besides that I never dressed up for Halloween before

Shove: 1:01:39

Yeah, she was just wear all black and then like, whatever he will guess she was she'd be like, yeah, that's what I am. I that

Rebel: 1:01:45

is definitely what I used to do. Yeah, one time I dress up like Michael Jackson.

Shove: 1:01:51

And she didn't have to do blackface because Michael Jackson looked like a white woman.

Rebel: 1:01:56

Well, I never even considered a bad face. But I know

Shove: 1:01:59

that when people are like, Oh, you just as a black Queen, and it's like no, no, just as a black person that looks like a white woman. So it was perfect. Probably right to see that brown color

Rebel: 1:02:13

is really good. No, I worked sunglasses. And then I had this like really cool. I found this like, sequined shoulder pad dress thing that I cut up and then I like pinned it onto a shirt so it looks really cool. And then I had these loafers and then I was like,

Shove: 1:02:29

once we went to Cuba and we went to this club, and there was a Michael Jackson impersonator in Cuba. Yeah. And like, I don't even think he spoke to us. I don't remember if he talked but I don't remember either. He acted just like Michael Jackson. And then like him and Rebel had like a dance off and then like Rebel was like hanging from the rafters. Yeah,

Rebel: 1:02:50

they had like rafter things. Awesome. It was awesome. That was that's one of my favorite memories of my life.

Shove: 1:02:57

Yes. Sorry for people that are gonna be like, fuck Michael Jackson like, okay, yeah, that's a whole nother a whole nother debate. We're just telling the story. So please don't get mad.

Rebel: 1:03:06

Yeah. Okay, so Best Costume.

Shove: 1:03:11

Best Costume?

Rebel: 1:03:14

I know what mine is. My Best Costume is definitely when I did Tank Girl when I did Tank Girl with you. That was my best couple costume and we did Tank Girl and jack girl. And it was so good. That was my best one that I've ever done. Everything was DIY. My Mad Max one was pretty good too. But like but jack I mean Tank Girl like, it was really really good. But Mad Max is probably like, second.

Shove: 1:03:44

I don't know best. I don't know. I like all of my costumes.

Rebel: 1:03:47

Well, you have to pick one for the sake of answering no question. I think your Beetlejuice one was pretty damn good.

Shove: 1:03:55

That's one of my least favorite so it was like okay, I said I wanted to gather so quick. It's like clothing my makeup was good but the clothing was like whatever for me

Rebel: 1:04:04

Hmm, well, okay, I guess that chef's not gonna answer the question Nope. I thought your Miss Piggy outfit was pretty good. Yeah, that was a good one one time Me and Shove were Miss Piggy and Kermit

Shove: 1:04:19

when everything you do is perfection it's hard to choose the best

Rebel: 1:04:22

Wow. Okay. Well

Shove: 1:04:26

for the pumpkin queen.

Rebel: 1:04:30

So that leads us to our final part of our podcast which is our five star review. Thank you so much for giving us five stars if you want to give us five stars on Apple podcast we will be sow sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow, sow happy, and yeah. And it will like signal to Apple that we're like important or cool or Apple doesn't care. No and then they'll like push our podcast to other people and then we can like have more people as in our podcast or also we I think we don't really know if that's how it works. But

Shove: 1:05:02

I haven't looked at our analytics in like, a year. That's because how many people listen to our episodes, like at least 300. And then we have 300 on YouTube roughly. So about 600 people listen to an episode.

Rebel: 1:05:16

That's pretty good. That's a lot of people.

Shove: 1:05:19

600 people don't hate us, or they do hate us and they listened to us and they like Angry escape. I kind of like that more. They're like more reasons to hate I'm they're just waiting for us to say something problematic. So they're like, let me listen so I can get that one thing if

Rebel: 1:05:33

you're a person who hates us. Hey, how's it going? Hey, we love you. Hey, I

Shove: 1:05:37

hope when you're late at night, you just

Rebel: 1:05:42

oh my god. Anyway, okay,

Shove: 1:05:44

so five star review. Thank you. zennith of the Black Sun. Oh, my God. so dope. Do you use black barians?

Rebel: 1:05:52

Is it Zenit? Or is it Zenith?

Shove: 1:05:54

Zenith. So maybe its zenith out of the Black Sun? Oh, that's creepy.

Rebel: 1:06:00

in the best way. So

Shove: 1:06:01

they say, I always listened to this podcast The day after it comes out. I love listening to chevon rebels opinions on things and it really helps me think about, about things I've never thought of. I also really enjoy their stories and how they aren't afraid to talk on some deep subjects. Definitely worth a listen.

Rebel: 1:06:24

Oh my gosh, thank you zenith of the Black Sun.

Shove: 1:06:28

Black holes. loon Luna 290 is typical singing voice but blackhole Sun is a good song.

Rebel: 1:06:40

Yeah. So listen to that song and go on to Apple podcasts and give us a five star review. Give us a little comment, comment and we'll shout you out on our podcast. Thank you so much for listening, everybody, and especially using the Black Sun. I hope you have the most beautiful wonderful, fantastic day ever. You'll. And if you want to support our podcast, you can like comment and subscribe on our YouTube. You can rate us on any podcasting app. Or you can support us financially by buying an ad or by supporting us via Venmo at queer girl skates with the tagline something something skate date podcast. And yeah, anything else we need to say to the people?

Shove: 1:07:28

y'all do.

Rebel: 1:07:29

Oh my fucking god. It's almost Halloween.