Ep. 4.2 Older, Wiser and Full of Arthritis

In this episode Shove and Rebel talk about getting active - Shove going to the gym and Rebel... twerking? In the Wheel World we talk about the plateau of roller skating and then our obsessions.. you're going to love them. 

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Rebel: 0:00

Hey what's up, everybody, welcome to skate day. Hopefully you can actually see us. I'm really hoping that this actually worked and we're on the YouTube got not just audio.

Shove: 0:20

Yeah, I actually got dressed up last time and this time I'm like, I'll throw a wig in a shirt on. Anyways. Hello. Welcome to skate day.

Rebel: 0:26

Hi, I'm rebel. I'm shove and together we are shovel. Can you dig it?

Shove: 0:34

Okay, Dave has a podcast brought to you by two roller skaters that fell in love it. And we like talking about the real world in the will world. Yeah,

Rebel: 0:44

all the things. So today, it is our second episode back and our first visual episode back. And we are so excited. Today we are going to talk about what we can talk about. I don't know. We're gonna talk about,

Shove: 1:01

we're gonna talk about working out. And we're

Rebel: 1:04

also going to talk about how rollerskating is kind of plateauing. And we're going to talk about some obsessions that we currently have. Are you ready to jump right into it?

Shove: 1:16

Yes.

Rebel: 1:17

Okay,

Unknown: 1:18

so

Rebel: 1:19

for people are watching on the YouTube I feel like you just need like a quick little update. If you want to listen to like a full on update. It's on the audio podcast anyway. You can stream podcasts. But we are back. Yay. Congratulations to us for getting our act together and being back. And we are now every two weeks podcast instead of every week because every week was not sustainable with our lifestyle whereby she's a lesbian. All right. Shove hates this music so much. Maybe listening to it will cause you to research some new music.

Shove: 2:05

I don't hate it. I'm the one that shows in the first place. I was just like wondering freshener. Also I am currently I see my knee.

Rebel: 2:13

Yeah, why are you icing your knee? What's going on

Shove: 2:16

my knees just you know, a little stress and another episode of more detail about it. But just you know, one of those things about getting older and having some previous injuries. But that's gonna go perfectly until why I started working out

Rebel: 2:33

older wiser and full of arthritis.

Shove: 2:37

I'm rebel and I have both started being more active. Mostly me my life

Rebel: 2:44

that you're saying that we've both become more active? Because I felt like

Shove: 2:47

if I said it was me, I've gone to four classes. More than four classes. Okay, five classes. Okay, so I started working now. I just finished I just started week six. And I am not like oh my god running and doing cardio and trying to lose weight. So don't freak out people. I am strength training. So I've been going hard in the weight department like I'm lifting weights now. I was just I started in the machines to like, ease into it. And then I was like, You know what, I'm going to the world as beefcakes are because I want to be a beefcake and my own space, which was has been very powerful for me. How long have you been working on him?

Rebel: 3:33

Um, no, I started going to work classes and classes. Well, okay, that's minimizing what I've been doing. So I decided to sign up for a thing where I could go to a bunch of different classes and find a studio that I connected with. And I'm so excited, I did find a studio that I absolutely am in love with. And basically I'm taking classes so like dance classes and stuff like that. I'm taking like strip teams, classes and dance classes. I took a burlesque class, I took a muay thai class, which I hated. I took I've taken a couple of flexibility classes. So I'm just like taking classes, which is great for my ADHD. And I just like low key high key do not like working out like at all, I think working out is the worst. So I have to trick my body into working out which is why rollerskating works for me. But I wanted a little bit of variation in what I did to move my body. And so yeah, so I really am trying to get into burlesque performing. And so I'm taking classes to like learn skills, but also to get in shape and be able to like move my body and be flexible and all that kind of stuff.

Shove: 4:58

And both ways are so valid. I have just been in movement just like skating is. And sometimes skating isn't enough, especially if like, depending on what the weather is like, where you live your schedule and everything. For me, part of the reason I'm weight training is to become a stronger skater again, the strongest I ever was, was when I was in Derby and doing CrossFit. But like CrossFit, like my heart was never into it. The only part I liked about it was the weights even then. And I just want to throw a trigger warning because in case it comes out like that could be talking body dysmorphia, and EDS. So there's the little chair warning that, for me, what's really cool is like this is the first time like, I've gone to a gym to gain weight in a way like, or like, it's weird, like I'm doing body recomp, which was re composition, which I want to like, mold a lot of my fat into muscle. So it's not really necessarily about losing inches, like, it's just like changing the shape. And what the matter that's within me, because I want to be super strong, I want to like fall and pop back up again. And especially because I did find that I have arthritis and an old injury in my knee that has effect made it worse. So my bone is like rubbing on bone here. And it's really painful. And so building muscle around that can really help with arthritis. So that is like my main goal because I want to escape for not just a good time, but for a long time. And I just want to like I don't know, like there's something like really powerful about like, picking up something heavy and like pushing yourself to like, do as many reps as possible. Like I just really, really love it. And it kind of gives me like the same feeling stuff. And I love that dirty, so I like it.

Rebel: 6:44

I also told her that she asked to carry me over the threshold when we get married. She did say that. So she has to be able to lift 200 And something pounds. Yes, in a year and a half.

Shove: 6:58

Got it. Excellent. I could deadlift you across the threshold easily right now. Yeah, but that's

Rebel: 7:03

weird and not romantic. So we need something that's more really. Um, I just think it would be better if you helped me like

Shove: 7:13

piggyback I'd be kind of cute. And then I like run into the room.

Rebel: 7:19

That would be cute. But I think it'd be even cuter if you helped me like this, like go

Shove: 7:23

dainty little princess heteronormative dreams,

Rebel: 7:30

like not at all. At the same time. Yeah, I definitely, I feel like there has been so much time that I've just not move my body like I was in a work from home job actually, I'm still in a work from I'm just in work from home life. And I just found myself constantly being at my computer and like, I'm not standing as much I'm not walking around as much. And so I've just felt very stagnant and felt very, like my muscles aren't even moving. Like my flexibility is getting worse and like my movement is getting worse. And I just feel like I'm like becoming a statue. And I don't want to be that anymore. So that's why I was like, I'm going to do this. This is something I want to do. I tried like doing some classes, but some of them I really did not like because it was like, do it was like a ballet class. But really, they had to do a bunch of situps. And I was like I want to learn ballet. I don't understand why we're doing

Unknown: 8:37

set up. We're

Shove: 8:37

so different. I've been going even more hard in the paint since I started with my coworkers. And like Moxie has been giving us kind of like this bonus of like an add on of like, oh, like just awesome, amazing gym membership. And it's like, it's something that like I never in my mind can see myself going like I saw this gym when I would like skate the beach path and be like, Look at this bougie ass drink of the gym, like on the beach with their like high tech machinery and there's a coffee shop like what the rich hell. And actually, if I'm not I was like, cheaper than some le fitnesses and stuff because it's like, I was like, Well, it's actually pretty affordable. Don't understand how they're able to swing that. But like to the point where it's like still something I necessarily would not want to pay. Because I'd have to like change my lifestyle to fit that in. But yeah, like Moxie went ahead and like got the employee's gym memberships. And like, we've been going nonstop since we got them like it started with like yoga classes because there's so many classes there too, which is pretty cool. I've only tried the yoga ones but I think next month we'll look into other things. And then my best friend and Derby wife Healy signed up and now me and her have been going like five times a week and we have a whole plan and we walk in and we're just like yeah, we got it and sometimes there is like 30 Push or like push setups and all these things I know rebel would be like, I hate this. And for me, I'm just like, go, go go. And then like, we're so like, hyper focused on meeting the goal that like when we're done or like, oh, it's been an hour, it's been an hour, 15 minutes, it doesn't even feel like it. And I feel like for you, you'd be like, it's called going backwards. Can we stop? Yeah,

Rebel: 10:18

it does not motivate me at all whatsoever. Not even a little bit. Like, I just, I cannot seem to talk myself into being interested in it.

Shove: 10:29

Um, I did a post the beginning of the year where I was like talking about what it's like to be a fat person and like, talking about working out and things like that. And like the judgment that go into it is so deep, because there can be that fear of being fat and going to the gym, which is like ridiculous, because people bully you about how you need to work out. And then you go to workout and then you get stared out, like, what are you doing here? And it's like damned if you do damned if you don't. And I didn't say the name of the person in the post with the person that asked me the question. It was. It was Astro, Michelle said like randomly. We were talking about like, health and fitness and like, whatever. And like, we can be very blunt and like candid with each other. So she said like, are you afraid of losing weight? And I knew why she was asking him it wasn't because like anything like weird, a bad connotation. It's because she sees that like, being fat is like, my life. It is like my brand name at this point, like I am fat girl as long as he so of course, like, is there a fear of like, becoming skinny? And then like not having all these things I have and not knowing who I am. And for me, it was like not really, because when I've always been overweight no matter what it's just like different sizes of that. But it was just like, also, like, I'm more than my fat. And I know that as well. And like I'm not like if I was to workout in which now it was before it was and I am like, it's not to lose weight, which is great. Like, it's crazy to know, like my relationship with my body right now is pretty great. Like I was really worried about getting triggered with like, weighing myself every day or like wanting to start cross dieting and wanting to count calories. Like my friend Haley mentioned that like, oh, when you start counting, I'm ecology and I was like no, like that is a slippery slope. That will be triggering for me. Like, I'm just gonna keep my same like eating habits for now. I do want to look into diet like one step at a time, because I throw myself all in there. I already know like, it will go too far.

Rebel: 12:34

Yeah, for sure. I think that that's a really interesting discussion about like, oh, fat girl has Moxie in your relationship with your body and with your fat. I think that some people narrow you down to just being a fat person. Yeah. And I think that that's another thing that you like reclaiming your social media, media. And like reclaiming ownership over your own image is about to like, you know that you're so much more than just a fat girl. Yeah. And so many people don't know that about you, or the theater. Yeah, they don't know more. They might know that you are more than that. But they don't know what else exists. And there's so much to you.

Shove: 13:18

It's like you're queer, and you're a skater and you're fat and a skater and that's in the story. That's nothing else to say.

Rebel: 13:24

Yeah, like the adventures of Claire girl on fat girl are like, much more beyond just being queer and being because technically, we're both queer and fat.

Shove: 13:34

Let's do but with the way I don't know. Like, it's crazy, because like, I feel like sometimes for me anyways, it's always been like, I put on my roller skates. And I go to I takes me a while like, it's my nerves, but also my body needs like warm up a little bit. And it takes me a while but like the last two times I put on skates, it was just like, lace up, stand up and go and I just felt already warmed up because like the muscles are coming back. And I can't wait to see how much like my roller skating does improve as the stronger I get. And one of the main things I am training for, I want to get the strength for is participating in the LA Marathon, which I haven't done in years. I've done it twice before. It's 25 miles at 3am in the morning. It took me I think five hours the first time in four and a half hours the second time. It's it's really hard. It's a lot of uphill. It's a lot of sketch streets. It's all of La it's from Chinatown all the way to Santa Monica Pier. And especially with like my busted me is going to be a challenge. So like I'm really trying to get my body in that like, and it's something I want to do for me because it's 2020 me and it's like one of my goals is to be like I fucking skinny that marathon like I'm 36 and I can still do it.

Rebel: 14:57

Yeah, I can't believe that I'm missing Yet again, like and I have yet to actually do it. It's because it falls so close to my birthday. So there's always too many things going on for me. And then the one year that I tried to go, it was like raining. And I was like doing. So I don't know, I feel like working out like, Do you have a Do you have a favorite part like a favorite day, like a leg day or like arm day?

Shove: 15:24

Oh, okay, so leg day is total hell and like the thing I'm doing right now I'm like, oh, fuck leg day. But the leg press that I do. I'm like, did that one because right now I can do 310 pounds. And I can like put and I'm like talking about like, I have to, like, make that sound. And there's just something so like animalistic and just like strong and like, feel like the willpower and I my breathing has to be right in my positioning like, and it just like, everything else goes away. I think it's very like kind of like roller skating like, it's not on, I'm in my body. And it's the only thing I'm thinking it's just like me, me and my body and trying to push through. And I think that's why I like it so much is like is that same kind of feeling like I'm putting my body to the maximum doing something and there's no nothing else exists in the world in that moment. So I really liked that one. Working on leg press with like day, but not actual leg day. And arm and arm and chest day can be fun too, because I feel like I have like the dumbbell and the barbell. And I just feel like really cool. Like, I look like one of the beefy guys, when I'm working. And I'm not gonna lie sometimes I'm like going and I'm doing my reps and I look at the guy next to me looks like super buff. And like he's doing less weights than me and it gives me like this little like, Haha, like screw gender roles, like I can be strong too. Like, just because I'm fat doesn't mean I'm not strong. And I think that surprises a lot of people just like when I won the arm wrestling against like Michelle and even a guy like the quad cup. It was just like, I know, when people look at me, they're like, just think I was just like, yeah, she's big, but whatever. But it's like, like, I'm naturally.

Unknown: 17:11

Let me tell you a story

Rebel: 17:12

about shove. So shove I mean, we so we started roller derby together. And when shove was in roller derby. She'll tell you the story, too. They were like so excited when shove walked in the door, right? They saw Shep and they were like be our blocker be our blocker right now. She was like, I don't know how to skate yet. And they were like, No, it doesn't matter. And so, like in fresh meat, they would pull her out and have her block against people who were way advanced and just have the advanced people try and hit her off the course. And no one could like, they would have us fresh meat go against her and we just bounce off. Like, we're just like, wow. And then like someone who was better would do it and then bounce off and go harder. There was one time that I took her out because I was so so so like, I'm gonna take this girl out. This was like, I'm a what? A brick house and I was like dang,

Shove: 18:12

and I am you are.

Rebel: 18:15

She is just like legitimately the strongest person I've ever met. And the only time I ever took her out was because I was low key cheating. And just was like going again and again and again in ways that was just going to trip her. I was like, I'm gonna trip her and then push really hard and that's the only way but like I had a trip her first you fight dirty. Yeah, that's the only way I never gonna win. Never gonna win. I don't fight dirty. So I have to. Anyways babe, did you know that me and Jesse are going to the gym tomorrow?

Shove: 18:48

That's your Hey. Get off. You

Unknown: 18:51

know we're going to the gym in the morning and have fun for fitness. Yeah.

Rebel: 18:57

the broke people gym. It's our gym, aka Jesse has a membership and can bring me we're going to the gym and then we're gonna go get breakfast burritos, and then go to the beach or something.

Shove: 19:11

breakfast burrito minute isn't my favorite.

Rebel: 19:13

I really want to get on a like for me, the best way to approach working out is to do something fun. And so I think I'm going to try and convince Jesse to do like the gym like once or twice a week but then to do a distance game a couple of times a week.

Shove: 19:30

Well, I remember you said you wanted to start a weekly skates. I feel like you should just do that.

Rebel: 19:35

Yeah, I really want to find

Shove: 19:39

a Saturday morning or Sunday morning just like speech skate. Yeah. Coffee and skate.

Rebel: 19:45

Yeah, I haven't done that. And so long. Yeah. Today I was teaching a skate lesson and I was drinking coffee. While I was like skating around and teaching the skate lesson. I was like I forgot that I could drink coffee and skate at the same time.

Shove: 20:00

Have you anyways, if you're listening and you're like, oh, working out, it's like there's so many different kinds of things that count as exercise and being movement, whether it's just stretching every morning and stretching before you skate, taking dance classes, fight classes. If you're just weightlifting, if you just want to go on runs, you want to skate miles. There's so many other ways. Dance skating, I'm just like thinking like the the as we're coming out of the pandemic, and life is like, practically normal. Like, I feel like life. Now. It's just like the pandemic like COVID Zero, right?

Rebel: 20:34

Yeah, besides like, our whole lives being changed. But you know, that's

Shove: 20:39

I'm saying like, now it's like, this is like, not like things went back to normal, but like Dalit This is life. And now we know like, it's pretty predictable again, and like we understand the ways of the world that it is now that I felt like we all kind of lost touch with being a movement a lot, a lot of us were stuck indoors for so long, the world opened, we still went out, but it wasn't the same amount of going out. And a lot of us still haven't gotten like, I just feel like we've been in movement will help you have a better quality of life. Totally. And it has nothing to do with losing weight. Yeah, I think that's when it can become toxic. But being a movement can just, it's helped me in so many ways, like it does have mental benefits as much as physical ones too. And I don't know there's this thing called haze, it's Health at Every Size. So it's just all about intuitive eating, which our need to learn because I am still horrible. And but like, I just want to like be in movement more often. And I want you to to because you're all skaters and we want to skate for a long time. And let me tell you, like, if you're someone young listening, it does get harder the older you get, and our body does start trying to like fell us in certain ways. And it gets harder to get out of bed and your back pain and your knees and then arthritis can happen and all these things. And so like being in movement can kind of help like, easy away from being as in a much pain.

Rebel: 22:07

Yeah. Yeah. Let me tell you, that is so real. Also, I knew that I was like, I had a problem because when I went to my tort class, and I was in this tort class, and I was like, I think I'm gonna die today. This is so hard.

Shove: 22:22

You know, let's talk your ass off.

Rebel: 22:23

I almost tore to my heart into a heart attack. Because I was trying so hard. And I was like, I am winded. Like I cannot keep doing this.

Shove: 22:33

Yeah, so stay tuned. And you know, maybe I'll be able to lift rebel above my head. Maybe

Rebel: 22:39

I'll be able to do a split while she's lifting. That's the goal.

Shove: 22:44

I will do a backflip at the skate park. Just kidding. That will and I

Rebel: 22:49

want to be able to a year from now. Oh my gosh, a year from now. What do you want to be able to do? Like? Like, what do you have like a thing a goal of lifting like in

Shove: 23:01

secret secretly? I'm like, damn, maybe like, if things go serious. like entering a weightlifting competition. Whoa, like deadly lift something really heavy. But like that's just like a weird Daydream I have realistically I want to be able to deadlift, my own weight. Oh, I like that. I want to deadlift on my own. Yeah. Oh, wow. And like price my own weight. Like, I feel like I can get there. You know, I can get there. And it's a realistic goal. I just got to keep doing it.

Rebel: 23:38

Yeah, I think my goal is less like endurance or like number based and more like, I really want to be able to poor form, like full out, like for several minutes with absolutely no problem. And be able to like do it several times.

Shove: 24:00

Endurance has always been hard for you. Even when you were at your prime derby. Yes, endurance has always been a struggle. Yeah, you were like I'm in the gym.

Rebel: 24:08

Because it's always it's like a thrill. Like, in order for me to keep going, it has to be a thrill. Which is why endurance I think has always been hard because I've never been like, after a few minutes, I'm like, I'm bored. Like, no matter what I'm doing. I'm just like, I'm bored. I need to do something else. And that's why I've never like been able to push past that. So I'm going to try and really get past that, like try and find ways to switch up my activity level so that I can build that into

Shove: 24:37

endurance, as well as things where it's like, once we're out skating, like once I know I'm like on a street and it's like the like the surface is pretty good. I'm just like this God and like I never really realized like I think with rebel because she'll skate pas, but like we're filming stuff for Moxie on Friday when the same thing happens. We're like skating. I'm like, where are they? And they're like, way back there. Like, I don't understand how people can just like skate slow. No, I'm skating to like, go and I don't even like hilly will always be like a normal pace. I'm like, this isn't normal

Rebel: 25:15

to be in Mali.

Shove: 25:18

Because in my head, I'm like, Wait, that's what I felt like, I want to feel like I'm flying. Well,

Rebel: 25:22

that is one woman who I've never been able to keep up with. She is freaking wild. Molly missed me. Miss Molly misdemeanor was our roller derby coach, and I swear to God, this woman skates as fast as a frickin car. Yeah, and she'll just go for like, 10 miles without a B, this one. You're like, Oh, my God. And she's like, keep up, man. She just looks at you. Like you're, you're dumb for not being able to keep up anyways. Yeah, so. So we're working out, we'll see how working it I don't know that you could technically qualify what I'm doing is like legit, like hardcore working out, but it is moving my body. So that's valid. And you should be proud of yourself wherever you're at. And so I'm going to take that advice for myself right now.

Shove: 26:08

All right, ready to move on over to the

Rebel: 26:11

to the wheel world. Yeah, totally. knew where we are really excited to talk about roller skating. So today in the wheel world, we are going to talk about

Shove: 26:45

how it's plateaued. But when we say plateaued, while the we need to say and a couple of ways. When it comes to the amount of new roller skaters coming in, and state sells. It's plateaued. But when it comes to small, small skate businesses that like making room assessories, and films like production company news and making it wills, it's grown.

Rebel: 27:16

Yes. So I think that, you know, like, we all have experienced the last few years and

Unknown: 27:25

we have, I mean, we have maybe someone was just born. Okay.

Rebel: 27:31

So, like rollerskating has been Furyk and wild. You know, like it was whatever it was before the pandemic and then then it makes Yeah, and then the epidemic pandemic was like, the pandemic, the pandemic, Lovato was something else right, like an explosion of Rollerskating. And it was just up and up and up. And we're like, this is gonna burst at some point like, this is not sustainable. Like nobody could get skates. I saw someone selling roller skate lollies for $1,000 on Facebook marketplace, like shut up like you're stupid.

Shove: 28:08

For months. I'm gonna say four months ago, four to five months ago, there was like this news. I don't know, like a musical thing. And it was talking about it was like the top three, pandemic purchases, regret, regret and regret. And rollerskates was number three on it.

Rebel: 28:29

Number one,

Shove: 28:30

I mean, remember, he was like bikes. And like with rollerskating, you have to think about there's no way that all those people so many people that bought roller skates, because they saw something on the internet was like That looks fun. stuck with it. Because we all know how hard it is to learn. It is so hard to learn rollers now imagine trying to learn roller skating when your ONLY Teacher is YouTube videos. And you don't know anyone that skates and you might only have someone that's also trying to learn with you, and how hard that is and how people got hurt or and we're like Fuck this, I wasted my money. So it makes sense for me, because there's no way you're telling me that all those people are still skating today.

Rebel: 29:21

Yeah, and a lot of people were skating because it was like a tick doctrine. Like how

Shove: 29:25

many people like maybe named rebel bought a guitar and then I really thought she was gonna be invested in it and they spent a lot of money and I even bother them a warm up at all. And then they just stopped. It just sits there now.

Rebel: 29:36

I blame that on my post injury depression.

Shove: 29:41

Yeah, but a lot of people started I'm gonna learn it and instrument. Yeah, and I'm sure all this instruments are just sitting somewhere.

Rebel: 29:48

They're really cute pink electric guitar that I will someday learn. Yeah,

Shove: 29:52

not everyone was born to be a roller skater. No, roller skating is hard roller skating really hard and it does hurt. If you're not someone That can take a beating and be like, let's do it again, which says a lot about it skaters. We're all just a little bit messed up in our heart, not saying we're better than you, or you're better than us. It's just not everyone. rollerskating was. Yeah, we're just wasn't cut out for everyone.

Rebel: 30:19

Yeah, you need a certain level of resilience in your body. Yeah. And that is kind of aggressive.

Shove: 30:26

And then the people that did buy this case and stuck with it, a lot of y'all bought quality skates out there, from reputable reputable brands. So of course, you don't need more skates. So you take the fact that like people are really like drawn like we kind of got all the people that were interested all jumped on the bandwagon at the same time.

Rebel: 30:47

A bunch of people that skates were really excited about it. Yeah. And

Shove: 30:50

so those people stayed and some of the people left. And then so now you don't have new people coming in. But you have the same people so they don't need to buy things. So then like you have businesses that had to hire all these people. And like grew some people even open second locations up.

Rebel: 31:06

Yeah. So such growth. Yeah. And

Shove: 31:10

was like, Oh, this is great. And then it was like, oh, cells are dropping? Oh, I have too many employees. Oh, no, no layoffs. Oh, now store closures. Like, all this stuff. It's kind of that really sad to see because like so many skaters about these amazing opportunities to work in the skate industry. But now it's like, oh, no, it's like you were saying something we actually were interviewed on the skater aid podcast last night. And rebel was talking about comparing it to the house market.

Rebel: 31:40

Oh, yeah. I just think that roller skating, the way it bubbled up, and bursts are in that it's not burst. But like, so the housing market in the like the 2008, all of that it like blew up really, really big, and then it burst and it crashed, right. And so we've been trying to figure out how to buy a house because we really want to do that eventually, at some point. And all the things that I've been reading have said that the housing market essentially got really, really big. But then instead of bursting, because of you know, different things, it's more of a correction that's happening in the housing market. And I think that the same concept can really apply to roller skating, right? So roller skating was at this certain level, and then it exponentially increased, it expanded so much, so high all the way up here. And then it's not that the roller skate industry is crashing, and is going to end up worse than where we started. It's just correcting. Yeah, and it's gonna go down a little bit from where it's been the last two years, but that can be expected and is to be expected. Like, we didn't think that all of this growth was just gonna sustain. Like, it has to, like, settle back down to a reasonable sustainable, like pace. And that pace that we're at now, which is where we're kind of like what we're calling as plateauing, which has, I think, has like a negative connotation, but I don't think that there's a negative connotation here. Like the locale that we're at, is actually still significantly higher than we were pre pandemic. It just in comparison to the last few years. The last two years, it feels so low, like it feels scary. Like it feels like oh my gosh, what's happening to the skate community, but in reality, the skate community is stronger than it ever was. 2019 or before, you know, the outdoor skate community, the larger skate community, like the skate community has, again, always been there, but exploded and now it like simmered back down a little bit. Yeah. So yeah, that's my personal opinion on it

Shove: 33:49

exactly. Like the community is bigger and better than ever, and it's thriving. There's lots of like small businesses and small makers that are doing great. I think it's like this huge comparison though. Like, we have like skate shops that need the money to survive and then have like skaters they've hired that want to stay employed there. And then we have like, like crews and stuff that decided to like put their money into industry like you have skate Last Supper, who has a wheel out now. And you have like phantom that starting to make like wax in clothing, and they're working on the street film. So you have like, people that are investing and doing little things here and there. And that's good. And that's like a good way to have skaters have jobs too. But the market itself of like I think when it comes to selling the straight up boot that is like, that's definitely it's gonna be harder like how before everyone wanted to work in skate shop, but it was really hard because people will come in or hiring yeah, there's like a limited number. Yeah. So I think we're going back to that to where like, just like you said, like, we're going back to the norm pretty much so like if I look at something like Moxie, for example. Three people used to work there. That's all it was. It was just three people. And then like, got up to like 20 Something people. And then now it's down to like seven people. And so it's like, still better than it was before, just like you said, but then it's just like, it can seem scary while it's happening. And I feel like people don't understand because they look at like brands or skate shops, and they're like, but everyone skates, you're rich, like you can afford all these people. Like, why is this happening at all these places? And it's like, no, like, that's not the real business. Like, money doesn't last forever.

Rebel: 35:36

Yeah. People look at things year over a year, like, yeah, not looking five years, they're not pulling back that much. Because if you look at year over year, for the last three years, you're gonna see some, like, some drastic differences.

Shove: 35:48

Yeah. So it's just like, really interesting. It's just like to see the changes. But I just feel like also there were like, so many skate brands, or that popped out of nowhere, in 2021, and 2020. And even, like, so fast.

Rebel: 36:03

Like, we're just like, people who bought skates on, it was like the same

Shove: 36:07

skate, but then like, a different name, a different value here. Nothing about them is like disappeared. But within it's kind of sad, because like, a lot of those companies like made like 1000s and 1000s of skates thinking this is gonna go forever. And then like, nothing, they just like sitting somewhere. Yeah. And it's just like, won't want. But I feel like the skate community has not plateaued. There's like, more parts being put out, which I know we've talked about on the podcast, like, make more parts make more parts when it's happening. It's really, there was a skate roller skater of the year. Phantom did took a boat. That was cool. Megan Shaffer, I was like Shaffer. Yes. All right. Megan Jeff. Schaffer, Megan Shaffer, one I voted for. It was really hard. I had like, rewatch a lot of the films and be like,

Rebel: 37:02

she's really technical skater. It's like, impressive for shooting is just wow,

Shove: 37:08

Megan is so tech. And that's what made me vote for her. Because I had to go I was like, Okay, there's some amazing skaters, and they're all doing great tricks. But I had to see it as a whole. Like, the music. I think like when it was a parts of musics really important to like, how's the music? How's the film mean? And it creativity is important. Yeah, the creativity that they actually lock all the tricks like don't put a trick in apart if that you didn't lock and like when I say lock, like you latched on and you actually grit grinded over like two inches. And it's not the same trick over and over again. And like did you land it? Was it tell technical were you like all that? Good.

Rebel: 37:48

I think though, that that is in concert when you're considering like for best roller skate? Yeah. If you're if you're making a part and you really, you're barely catching things like yeah, and you're like, landing it only a little bit. But you're still wanting to make a part. That's okay. Yeah, I

Shove: 38:06

didn't mean anyone. Yeah, I

Rebel: 38:08

just wanted to clarify just for this. So I think that you were saying that I know, you weren't saying yeah, I want to put a part out and I can't do that saying I want to put a part out, but I'm wondering if

Shove: 38:18

he can't even skate. I mean, but I'm what I'm talking about is like, it's almost like eight or the year, like skater of the year, and I also feel like cloudco Like whenever there's a blading cup quad cup, if you're like I'm gonna put a part out and I want it to be showcased that spring cup or foul cup you're representing all of your represent all of us like when you see the blading films like I'm talking about films like film Vega, like you can tell they put blood sweat and tears and then there's like things they've worked on forever. And like the editing is on point. There's a story being told, like it's amazing, like you want to screen like where you don't even like know anything about bleeding. And we're like, yeah, like, yeah, so psyched. And I can remember specific things from every part I saw that came out from every bleeder. So like, if you're rollerskating and you're going to submit something, it better be talked to you. I want to I want to know that you're like, Okay, I'm like, I'm like so trained. And like I got it like locked down. Like this is what I meant to do. I feel like you put out all these parts over the time, put them on YouTube, put them on what's under the

Rebel: 39:26

Vimeo,

Shove: 39:27

the Vimeo, Vimeo, on Vimeo, you on Instagram, whatever it may be put out 1000 parts that you want to because every one is going to be better than the previous one. And then when you finally are like, this is it this is my time like I got it like I've put in the work. I think that's when you like bring it to a quad cut blade and cut that's when you get submitted for roller skater of the year because like I want people to see something and be like, inspired and be like, That's what I want to like grow. Like I don't like I do find like inspiration from seeing people the same level as me, or it's like slightly better. It's just gets me just as excited. But I feel like there's a time and place for like, everything. Yeah. And I know some people won't agree with that. And I know like, who's to say like, what's good and what isn't good, but I think it's like how you see, like tricks like, do you see as skating as just fun and like fishing holes? And it's just like, we're having a good time? Because like, I see that aspect too. Or are you someone that sees it as a technical sport, I'm looking at, the word I was looking for is, oh my god. It's like when you go to college, and you're, it's like your one, your discipline, your discipline. Got skating as a discipline, where you like you eat, breathe and sleep. Pat, you're like, literally like trying to nail the same trick. You want it to be technical. If it's not technical, you're not proud of yourself. You're like, hard, but you know, like, we were friends with some skaters that like, we're definitely where they don't land the trick. They're like, HiSET themselves, and they're like, do better. Like and then there's other people that just do it now like laugh and have fun or like, they'll try to go, no,

Rebel: 41:16

go like, we're like, do something that's like semblance of it. We're like, yes. Now that

Shove: 41:21

both types of scheme and views of skiing are both valid. Uh huh. And I'm like, like Kayla, little space cowgirl is very, like so technical, so technical, so hard on herself. She's like, great at judging, because she has the eye for it. And she's like, that doesn't count. Some people might think she's mean, because she's like, Nah, you didn't do it, though. But you can do it. I can see I'll try it again, you can do that. So she's supportive. But she's more like a herd that's about it. And that's because she sees it as a disciplined, and she's an amazing skater. Then you have other people that are kind of like in the middle do both, but they have fun with it. And I think like everything's valid, everything I'm seeing is your own journey. And like, you might feel differently than I do. And that's totally fine. Because that's what's beautiful about skating. I feel like

Rebel: 42:06

yeah, I totally agree with you. But is what's beautiful about skating,

Shove: 42:10

but

Rebel: 42:12

I don't know, but I think that that's just an indication again, like these conversations and these competitions and these, you know, things are demonstrations of the roller skate community growing in strength and growing in, in its evolving nature. I would say like, I think that the roller skating community is becoming more vast and becoming more nuanced, I think in all of the different pathways or opportunities or things to do within SCADA. Yeah,

Shove: 42:46

like chuffed is now in America. And I need to go in through S one and they my hands on some of the day's improved their skates, like I know like you have like the first gen and it was like, kind of similar like moonlight, the feeling and then they've upped their game I felt when recently in pitch and skate shop and I was like, Oh, that's nice. Like that's different. And then they just put out their first pro boo, and it's with optimistic slime optimist slime. Her name's Jade and she came up with a brown boo not my favorite color. I'm gonna be honest, I saw that color and I went not for me, but then I saw the inside lining. I was like, alright, it's kind of cute, but I could never do a brown boo. But they did like the Have you seen it? No. Bait get in touch.

Rebel: 43:34

I'm seriously not on the internet. I know that sounds kind of crazy Jade.

Shove: 43:38

We met her. We met her up roller calm. She's amazing. She's a really good skater. So chuffed and her have a probe out now and what it looks like. Aligning like goes with it because that person was like, Oh God, not a brown booth. But like it kind of

Rebel: 44:00

is it Optimus lime. Or is it Optimus slime, isn't it? Well, Optimus

Shove: 44:07

I think it's just like, it's definitely two s's. Hmm. I don't know. Anyway, it's Jade. name is Jade. And they're the cutest and they're so talented. And he is awesome. When I saw the squeeze test and like they're fully around, it looked like it could be comparable to a jock one but I have not held this game. I have not seen it in person. You can just buy the booth by itself and then you build it as you go. So that's pretty cool. And I really liked the idea of like, skaters having pro boots I think that's so cool. I think some companies can be afraid to do pro boots. Because attaching your someone's name to a product it's very scary. As we know with like what happened last year with Travis Reynolds and like the call outs on the abuse and things like that like if someone Like that have their own boot and then that happened. No one's gonna want to buy that deal because it's attached to them. They don't wanna put money in someone's pocket like that. And there's other people like any kind of interest is like there's been calls on people like if someone does something racist now you're like, oh, great, I made a boot with this racist person. And it gets canceled. That's happened with moonlight. And you know, indie so it's just like you have I get why companies are afraid. And for chest to be like, just like how oh my god kya does for Barbie. So I kinda am chuffed are the only brands like think that have put

Rebel: 45:34

like names of pharaohs behind? Yeah,

Shove: 45:39

so I think that's really cool. And then there was a really cool article on Dog Days, the last Dog Days about chuffed about slam the owner of chest. And it's really cool because she's the like, she's like the sole owner like she can do whatever she wants with that comes in really cool. And the more that it grows, the better the boots can improve. And they can do more things. And they're a very talented skater as well. I got to watch them compete in last this first spring Cup, the one that was last year. And that was the first right before Chuck like came to us. And it was crazy because a lot of the people that competed it now skate for Chuck it was like slam was had the eye and was like seeing who was skating and now you're so smart. And now like a lot of those people that compete it like skating for chuffed.

Rebel: 46:29

Yeah, I really, really want to try chef skates. The Aziz man I know are killing it. Yeah,

Shove: 46:38

there's so many brands out there like yeah, I work for Moxie. And yeah, it's in my name because like I started skating with moxie is but like, that doesn't mean one brand is right or die. You want like the whole community to thrive, especially if it's a skater owned when it's some rando trying to make money off the skate community on my butt to know there's a roller skate and especially if it's something non binary or queer or female owned, like

Rebel: 47:00

big fan, yeah,

Shove: 47:02

I'm being a fan over here. And like you can tell they actually stand by or like Sam buy their product and put the work in like that's, that's a lot to say,

Rebel: 47:10

for roller skaters by roller skaters is a genre that I will always support.

Shove: 47:15

Exactly. So it's always that's why like, that's just like a perfect example of how like that has not plateaued in the skate community. It is growing still. There still skaters doing a lot of jobs like in the industry. Like you saw the AMA's It was no dancers, like no dancers in their shoes. It was all roller skaters, even pink and roller skates. It's like the first time that's ever happened. I think it was the most skaters on stage. And then you have like people that are still in commercials when the movies other day. And so a roller skater and a Diet Coke, commercial. Yeah, Victoria, Victoria and then like, so it's like, they're still like in the entertainment industry. They're still hiring skaters. You still have all these small businesses like so you see, like a lot of growth still,

Rebel: 48:06

which is pretty cool. And so many little like skate groups and stuff like that. Yeah.

Shove: 48:09

So even though the growth of skaters like new skaters coming in has plateaued. The existing skaters are thriving.

Rebel: 48:19

Yeah. It's awesome. I love being a part of it.

Shove: 48:22

It's pretty cool.

Rebel: 48:23

skates, skaters and skating is my favorite. Alright, should we do you have anything else to talk about? About that? Nah. Should we talk about some obsessions? Sure. These are my obsessions. Every week I have something new to talk about. These my obsessions. What is your obsession? What's my obsession? What's your

Shove: 49:01

current obsession? I know I'm your obsession and Bellido obsession What's your current obsession?

Rebel: 49:08

That's funny. My current obsession is probably I know that just going things like can't be another week of an obsession but quite literally is

Shove: 49:22

showed a lot of things inside

Rebel: 49:24

just go to so many things. Since the last time we recorded I discovered two boxes. I discovered a little planter cup holder thing. I discovered the inside of a box that was covered in fur on the outside. I discovered

Unknown: 49:40

what else did I just go I don't even know.

Shove: 49:42

Oh my god. So many things. Yeah, a spaceship.

Rebel: 49:45

I just got a spaceship.

Shove: 49:47

You made a hole. What's that called? Mobile mobile. Oh,

Rebel: 49:49

yeah, I made a disco mobile. My water bottles disco. Do you know about that one though. I

Unknown: 49:56

feel like I still want a mushroom.

Rebel: 49:58

I need to figure out how Make it but I will. I will buy a mushroom like styrofoam. Yeah, a Styrofoam mush rock clay last time but yeah, I tried to make a drippy disco ball and it's still half made in the garage because it's like waited weird because the clay is so heavy and I haven't figured out quite how to sort it out. And I need to like I need to like sand it and like I hate sanding My

Shove: 50:27

theory is that ever since disco aces you can't stop destroying things and that's a state like attached to it.

Rebel: 50:35

How is that a theory that's like proven truth reality.

Unknown: 50:40

Ever since this ever since disco

Rebel: 50:42

Oasis, I've had a serious problem. It's like

Shove: 50:45

she got hit in the head of the disco ball there and now she can can't stop.

Rebel: 50:49

Yeah, I literally put disco pieces on the front of our engagement books.

Shove: 50:54

She wakes up and fucking Donna Summers is playing. And she's like I'm in studio 54 And then she just started slapping disco pieces on things. She wraps the Christmas present

Rebel: 51:11

it looks so good. Some no not wasteful at all. So beautiful. I made some disco while planters. We instead of ornaments we had disco balls hanging from our Christmas tree

Shove: 51:26

Have you cut yourself while using these sharp square glasses?

Rebel: 51:31

Yeah, this more or the other day I made a big hole in my thumb. Yes, some disco pieces. She dies for her craft

Unknown: 51:39

she bleeds for me for my craft her obsession

Rebel: 51:42

I'm in pain. The other day I got blisters because I was hot gluing disco balls onto the outside of a mirror I'm trying to figure out what I can sell of these things that I'm disco peacemaking because it's so white shove is going to cut me off. So I have to like get rid of some of the stuff in order to successfully can tell

Shove: 52:03

them is things I liked disco thing. So for me, I'm like, ooh, shiny. It's cute. So I'm not mad at it. I think the thing that will happen is that we've run out of room for things and then I'll be like, All right, like it's time. We need to have a disco art show.

Rebel: 52:19

That would be so cool. I would totally have a disco art.

Shove: 52:22

Well I want to do like a thing at our house. Like it's really small and we like invite a bunch of people and they like scape their maps. And like maybe like Shane brings his rugs and then you put all your stuff that you made out and I'm like we had a couple other people that like are creatives. Yeah. So do

Rebel: 52:42

what if i What if I vended at an event and I just had disco

Shove: 52:45

stuff? Yes. I mean, like you could because that's that's hard to ship or it's so hard to ship. That's why I'm like how am I supposed to sell this? Yeah, like you would just have your table a whole disco table. And then the skate accessory stuff to be on another one. But we did it here. You'd have as much room as he wanted.

Rebel: 53:02

We should definitely do that. I'm gonna just go so many things.

Shove: 53:07

Live you have an art show.

Rebel: 53:10

I never thought I was enough of an artist to be it.

Shove: 53:12

I think I think like the disco and stuff. handcraft Yeah, Dan craft like sculptures and shit like that. So why not?

Rebel: 53:21

Oh, my mind is anything's

Shove: 53:23

possible.

Rebel: 53:24

Anything is possible. Anything is possible. Oh, well, my, what's your current obsession?

Shove: 53:31

It's really weird. Like cram session, and I can't find them. But my current obsession and now the algorithm has no not on Tik Tok yet, but Instagram is fully like because me and Evelyn and Haley are constantly like Sydney like gym stuff, like funny memes or like things that like now we've experienced because now we're gym rats. Or it will be like certain workouts or even just cute outfits, right? Because if you look cute, you're gonna want to workout because you're gonna want to wear the cute clothes. That's another way to trick yourself. But here is my obsession is trying to find the fucking shorts and leggings that cinch in the butt crack that lift in separate each butt cheeks. So you're like but dunka Doc is like Diem. And I all I do is just keep seeing these women's asses and it's not even sexual. It's more like I want my butt looking like what, Keeley What the heck, and I can only find them to go to a to x on I'm like, you just buy those. I'm just like they're not gonna fit and I'm like, Please let me live through you.

Unknown: 54:43

This is so funny.

Shove: 54:46

Every like nine out of 10 videos of women working out in the gym, have these damn shorts and leggings on. Fascinating and I've seen plus sized ones so like I've been finding a lot of like fat I got weightlifters, and I'm like, hell yeah. Like, this is what I need to follow. These are the people I need to follow. So that it's not triggering for me so that I know like, I deserve to be there just as much as anyone else and that can be fully capable. I seem like bodies that look like mine bunnies, it'll take years until they flex and you're like, Whoa, but my body that just looked like average bodies and then all sudden, they're doing something like raw with a heavyweight and you're like, Whoa, and I'm like, that's cool. So even they have these shorts, but like I haven't seen anyone that's like my size and I'm just like, I literally will stop their page and go through their affiliate links and trying to find them. And I can't like I have not been able to find anything over 2x And I'm just like, I need faculties doesn't have them. No, they just have a regular leggings. They like might give you a little something at the bottom but I'm talking about like they're called like cinched

Rebel: 55:52

they're the ones that like have like early early you can tell that they have like, like the protruding

Shove: 55:58

Yeah, like your BC rd derby. bottoms, Holly's me because like they're, like really cinch in the middle. I think that's what creates that look. Those in it goes in your bucket. That way inside of your butt cheek is just like ba ba boom, like a Georgia peach. Yeah, like, I want to look back at it and be like, Damn, look at those yawns.

Rebel: 56:22

I mean, like, how could you not already because right now I look back

Shove: 56:27

and I go Damn, look at that pumpkin. Gotcha. Like, not plural. I need plural. I want to see like, boom, boom, not just boom. You know, see? Yeah, I know. I'm literally I just feel like I'm staring at so many butts all the time. Because it's like every workout and even though we're not talking about their butts, the pants make you look at their butt. And I'm like, I want to have a butt like

Rebel: 56:54

my bust. My butt must be so disappointed.

Shove: 56:58

I'm so sorry. Why do you think I liked when you always wear the shirt and you're like, Oh, my crack and I would always be like, No, I like it number and you almost throw these away because there's they go up my butt. And I'm like, No, that's how they're supposed to be because I like Yeah,

Unknown: 57:12

I do. You just stopped wearing the shorts. Well, no, they actually also don't anymore. Well, you're gonna have to get some more hoochie daddy shorts like that. Okay.

Shove: 57:22

But yeah, that's that's my weird obsession currently. And I'm like, so if anyone listening is like, I know where you can get over a Tallis tele of some butt crack booty

Rebel: 57:34

called How do you even Google that?

Shove: 57:36

cinched something. I don't know. I finally found what they were called. And I just like everyone's like, Oh, Amazon, Amazon. Like, they only got Nginx. So no, I'm not there. Interest rebel could get him. So if you want some booty booty shorts.

Rebel: 57:50

I mean, I guess I do. Yeah. Yeah. You want to buy him for me? No, I'm aware of if you buy him for me.

Shove: 57:55

No, because then I'll just be sad, because I'll be extra sad because I want to wear him

Rebel: 57:58

or you'll just appreciate my butt. I don't know. For

Shove: 58:02

all that it is. I'm gonna have to start sewing all my leggings.

Rebel: 58:05

Just like cinch learn how to sit. Yeah. So one day, I

Shove: 58:09

swear one day, you're gonna be looking at my Instagram page scrolling. And you're gonna go whoa. And you're like, wow, she found them.

Rebel: 58:19

Oh, my gosh. I mean, yeah, I'm really excited. So

Shove: 58:28

Bowie, our friend, she has been obsessed with like, forcing himself upon your lab like, like, an answer, like

Rebel: 58:37

forcing using his head like a go recive Lee?

Shove: 58:42

Like, no pet me now. Like you stop. And he's like,

Rebel: 58:47

and he'll like scratch your leg. And I'm like, oh, no, we've created a monster.

Shove: 58:51

Yeah, rebels spoiled him too much.

Rebel: 58:54

I'm sorry. He's been my emotional support pet for so long.

Shove: 58:57

And he's like, extra love now. Because we have a new roommate now. And our new roommate spends more time. That's, you know, like, our imaginary roommate. I believe we had was always like, locked in their room. So that means Bowie has a new best friend. So now he's used to always being loved. And I think that's part of why he's extra needy, because he was like, acting out and stuff because he's like, no, like, I am constantly

Unknown: 59:20

I deserve to be always paid attention

Shove: 59:23

to Yeah, and it's a Frenchie thing. And, man, so yeah. Right. Yeah. So that's his current obsession. Yeah.

Rebel: 59:38

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Shove: 1:00:13

and there's a few thoughts and vital items that are now on sheets the Grierson

Rebel: 1:00:18

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Shove: 1:00:22

I shut down my website and unfortunately all the products I created dropship ones I can't just like throw over there. So if I have to recreate each one for rebels store,

Rebel: 1:00:36

yeah, very Wawa. Alright, thanks so much for hanging out See you later. Bye Bye Love you